T O P

Totally not a cult.

Totally not a cult.

tophergopher1

Cena should be forced to rack up meaningless wins on Main Event or win a slapped together tournament


RIShane

WWE should totally use Cena on YouTube exclusive shows to climb up the ladder, that would really be showing business expertise.


livefromphoebeshouse

They’d make a metric crapton of money if they actually tried that. I would be legitimately sports entertained


RIShane

*Can John Cena overcome Jaxson Ryker? Tune in exclusively on YouTube!*


HowCouldHellBeWorse

That would legitimately be hilarious. Will Brock Lesnar prevail against Zack Ryder? Can Triple H get past Christian? How does Roman Reigns plan to deal with the challenge of Neville


[deleted]

When Superstars first got revived on WGN they had a few matches that were kind of like this, but they quickly decided they didn't care enough to even do that anymore.


RobertCroupier

I remember Edge wrestled there against Kofi Kingston after he took him out at HIAC haha.


bl4e27

That would probably get them 10+ million views on YT, though...


RIShane

Which is why we'd put it in the middle of a 26-match card!


bl4e27

And that would STILL get WWE 7 figure views... They need the "Megastars" Dildo Boy, Dynamic Sk8rboi, Flippy Shitter No 5767 for those sweet, sweet 300k views...


RIShane

We also trust our fans to know what's in the video so we don't need to bill or advertise John's appearance in the title.


ItChEE40

WITHOUT TIMESTAMPS


RIShane

Time-stamps and proper organisation are too much of an EVIL FED thing.


TheMaskedHeelMark2

Cena should grab a Sonic The Hedgehog ring only for him to lose to Goldberg and Drew Gulak in tag matches.


Squiliam-Tortaleni

Brass ring


ThrowawayAccount1227

Padding wins on a show that gets 2 YouTube viewers isn't special or neat. John Cena is tied with Ric Flair for the most championships in history using WWE's counting. I think mega Hollywood star, meme icon, and wrestling legend gets a title shot just for showing up.


NeonPatrick

I mean I wouldn't say no to a Edge/Rollins/Cena threeway number one contender match to set it up, but eitherway Cena/Roman is the way to go.


Undertalefanboy42

Edge/Rollins/cena at Madison square garden for the #1 contender title Can’t write itself better


JBHere123

Thank you for including his most noteworthy achievement as Meme Icon.


captkrisma

AEW's ranking system is also non-consensual as well. What if I don't want to face number 2 in the rankings? The champion doesn't really have much choice as to whom he wrestles. Who's to say that QT Marshall isn't deserving of a world title shot? Who are you to doubt El Dandy?


NatureBoyRDX

>John Cena is tied with Ric Flair for the most championships in history using WWE's counting I love Cena but no. Ric Flair stands at 21 and I refuse to believe WWE on this one! But then again, Cena stands at 17 if you count his one OVW Heavyweight Belt.


1869er

Doesn't Jerry Lawler have like 30? Neither one of them can touch the King.


NatureBoyRDX

Lawler has over 120 according to Dave Knows Wrestling on YT. All hail the King Of Memphis!


SaddestFlute23

Another Know-it -all in the house!


NatureBoyRDX

I'm sorry for being such a wrestling history [email protected], uce. Sadly im Indian so my opinion does not matter.


SaddestFlute23

We might be having a misunderstanding uce, I meant I’m also a fan of Dave Knows Wrestling. An underrated channel


NatureBoyRDX

>An underrated channel Or you might say..... A hidden gem, maybe?


[deleted]

If you count the Memphis title as a world championship, it's probably more than that.


ThrowawayAccount1227

>I love Cena but no. Ric Flair stands at 21 and I refuse to believe WWE on this one! Believe what you want, I'm just going by WWE's counting.


goodthing37

OVW didn’t have a world title did it?


NatureBoyRDX

They had a Heavyweight title. I consider OVW under Cornette to be a territory. So yeah, their Champions count.


Treeconator18

Winning Meaningless Battle Royals to determine #1 contendership is much more real sports feel


[deleted]

A lazy guy with hand in pocket should be challenging the world title.


jwt6577

"Thanks Scientology!"


BrettEskin

It’s not a real sport. If it is the closest thing to it is MMA and if Jon Jones pissed clean and wanted to fight for the belt Dana would Be getting him that shot with at most one tune up fight. If Kahbib decides he wants the light weight title back then sorry Dustin Porrier you’re getting in line.


lilJamieEllsworth

>if Jon Jones pissed clean and wanted to fight for the belt Dana would Be getting him that shot with at most one tune up fight Exactly. They love pretending to know the first thing about "real sports" and how they operate.


PeterHooten

Do they even follow their ranking system?


kettlebell-j

If they did Billy Gunns kid would be a Main Eventer. He’s 20 and 0


ItChEE40

Dude’s on a Floyd Mayweather level run


kac937

they’re going to finally give him a push here eventually and it’s going to be touted as the best long term booking ever “Ass guy’s kid has quietly had one of the most dominant runs in wrestling history…”


harrypigorr1

Fuck it, make him new Goldberg. *ASS MAN* *ASS MAN* *ASS MAN*


Pyrozooka0

El Hijo del Ass


Footbuddy29

They just did recently with Page, IIRC. But before him, the ranking system wasn't even featured on their shows.


Long_Legged_Lary

Because it doesn't matter unless they need it to. Kinda like literally every other fuckin thing in wrestling ever. But these dweebs really think aews ratings/rankings mean anything.


WhoStoleMyBicycle

I haven’t watched AEW in a long time but when i did they were using it as a substitute for stories. Someone tweeted “who cares about this match” regarding a women’s match and Cody actually responded to them saying something like “how is the 3rd ranked woman against the 5th ranked woman not a good match”. Number 3 vs number 5 isn’t a story.


pushinpushin

late 2000s ROH in shambles


CeroMiedo670

All they do is put them in a battle royal. Its not a lengthy tournamet to get to a title.


n8spear

Vince McMahon should have come out and told Cena what would happen 9 days from tonight.


Modano9009

Doesn't Hangman have to win some convoluted 10 man tag match to get the title shot he should already have due to being the #1 contender?


handi503

"If we win, I get my title shot and Dark Order get a shot at the tag titles even though they're not on the ranking board that is supposed to be the only metric by which they get title shots." "But we don't get anything out of this! So....if you lose.......you..... DON'T get your title shots! Yeah! That's what we get!"


JBHere123

A ranking system where 95% of the wins are over unranked, winless jobbers.


NatureBoyRDX

I also hold a undefeated record of 17-0 play fighting my friend in a parking lot. When do I wrestle you Mr.Omega?


brosbeforetouhous

The SEC method to establishing dominance...if all games were just against that FCS team Bama plays every year before the Iron Bowl.


RefreshingCorpse

Although to come away uninjured after wrestling indie school dropouts is pretty impressive in a way....


MoombahtonDon

This is a strange argument seeing as it’s all a work and rankings aren’t real . Also no one’s complaining about Cena “Immediately getting a title shot” because in Kayfabe it makes sense . You have the hulk hogan of our generation, (still in prime shape tbh) returning to presumably challenge the next “Guy” in the company after said guy has cleared the division . A narrative unfamiliar to no one and an easy concept to make sense of


goodthing37

In every movie about an old, legendary gunslinger or criminal returning to their trade for one last big job, I want to see them have to do a million smaller missions to prove themselves.


ChrisBenRoy

This. It's not real. It's not a sport. It's not supposed to be. It's a TV show.


SamInPajamas

While John Fucking Cena does not need to "rack up wins" to believably earn a title shot because he is one of the greatest of all time, we don't even know if he has an automatic title shot. They are complaining about something that they are speculating on. Will John fight for the title? Yes. Of course. Will Roman and Heyman make him jump through some hoops to get there? It's very likely. I hate how they don't even give things a chance to play out before they write it off as bad


BrightFuture4

It was the same shit leading up to MITB with Drew. The basement was bitching incessantly about Drew being in the match because he was DEFINITELY winning. Similarly, it’s the whole snarky thing going on with Big E right now: DAE WWE ONLY BOOKS MOMENTS! hOW wiLL tHey RuIn tHis?


ATadVillainy

I imagine we'll get Cena vs. Rollins on a SmackDown for Edge to cost the latter the win to set up both matches for SummerSlam.


Gabaheygabahey

Jfc, these guys would book themselves into bankruptcy. Even old school territory booking worked this way. “Ric Flair is coming to town? Let’s book him to face our champion in Dallas when we run Texas Stadium. Some promos and a tag match with the Horsemen and we are good to go.” “Nah. Real sports feel. He needs to win a 32 participant tournament to get a shot.” “But.....he’s only in town for 4 weeks and we only have him for 5 shows.” “Then he don’t get no title shot.”


NatureBoyRDX

>Nah. Real sports feel. He needs to win a 32 participant tournament to get a shot.” Isn't that sort of WWF did with him in his first run? Make him win the Rumble.


zukoloverl

yeah, and it wasn't fair to Flair


Robin0928

Tbf, Flair was also signed to a longer contract where they could do this. And it only was about 2 months from signing to becoming WWF champion


Chitown780

It’s like these people have never watched combat sports before. If you’re a big enough star, you get to jump the line. Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquaio constantly got title shots after long layoffs. Rousey got a title shot coming off a loss. It’s not a ridiculous concept that Cena would immediately get a title shot.


ThunderBay311

Down so very bad


Robin0928

Okay, but... he's John Fucking Cena. He doesn't need to "earn" the title shot. He's John. Fucking. Cena.


bl4e27

Ah, muh "Real Sports Feel"... How did Dildo Boy get a title shot against Harpo?


shrimpedout

They should have just had a battle royal


brownie81

Nobody fucking cares.


[deleted]

AEW fans aren’t wrestling fans


DresserBoys

if the ranking system was important then Kenny can't not decline Adam Page a title shot and make him jump through hoop to earn it.


ineedsnacksgimmesome

REEEEEE JOHN CENA SHOULD FIGHT IN A 16-MAN TOURNAMENT TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER 1 CONTENDER AND SHOULD LOSE IN THE FIRST ROUND TO RICK BOOGZ REEEEEE


ZERO_Cali_

Roman has beaten everyone on the roster at this point. So unless they want to see rematches, which the basement will hate, it’s obviously going to be Cenas turn next.


wrex1816

Imagine getting a huge Hollywood star wanting to be on your show but you gatekeep so hard you'd rather out Orange Cassidy in the main event and tell the Hollywood star to go "pay his dues" and sleep in his trunk for a few years.


goodthing37

Eddie Kingston’s Rules of Wrestling


JobTrunicht

Georges St-Pierre came back 4 years after "retiring" to fight for the UFC Middleweight Championship. DAE not real sports feel ?


elliott316

No wins against Marko Stunter growth,Brendon Cutlet or Michael Nakanakagetthefuckoffmytv means no title shot for the 15 time World champion


AlexTheTownPump

Rankings don’t even hold much weight in mma. Not sure why so many people swear by this method.


ironfly187

Is that the fig leaf of *real sports feel* they still cling to?


Artagoth

Yeah how dare Cena not botch his way through several matches on a YouTube show. We know this is the only respectable way to earn a shot!


Razzler1973

I really don't believe this guy even believes what he's saying, just feels he HAS to complain


exciseduty

These bellends are exposing themselves at greater rate. This is Fucking Cena of all people. He is biggest wrestling name on planet an household name known to billion across the globe. Ihe can get included in any match and there shouldn't be any complain


NLBLUE

Cena needs to earn his spot the right way, by farming victories in Dark 😤


chaz0723

"Hey John, sorry to tell you this, but, I know you've been the guy for over a decade, but, um you're going to have to pick up some wins on Main Event before we do anything with you and Roman"


NatureBoyRDX

"Yeah Vince I'm sorry but I'm going back to Beijing"


dionthesocialist

Prefer a ranking system where you have to win your way to a title shot sometimes except for all the times they decide to ignore it.


Cynicayke

Except, there are plenty of wrestlers in AEW who aren't getting opportunities based on their win-loss record, assuming it's meant to be based on other combat sports. Several undefeated wrestlers seem to be getting some kind of Goldberg booking, where they have to get to 100-0 before getting a world title shot. Except Goldberg was actually a star.


goodthing37

QUALITY OF WINS MATTERS (sometimes)


bgp_1845

cody rhodes left to film a TV show and returned to a title shot.


NatureBoyRDX

?????? I was already the contender, friend.


Toosh416

Oh damn. AEW not able to use those Arrow Cameos by Cody for clout?


ci22

The AEW Rankings mean as much as UFC's when Connor Mcgregor feels like fighting


PwnnosaurusRex

He needs to wrestle Matt Sydal on television before I'd even consider this fed guy to be a good worker.


TheSaltbird

In kayfabe, could it not be logically explained that Cena gets to be the next contender because he's a goddamn wrestling legend? He doesn't "need wins", he's a living legend.


daveroo

nah john cena just won 10 matches in a row on some youtube show. you just havent seen it


PaladinOfHelm

Muh ranking system


jjsefton

🤔🧐🙄😂


jjsefton

From what I’ve seen, anyone can get a title shot by wandering to the ring with a live mic and just asking for/demanding one. *Now* this goober questions the legitimacy of championship rankings???


TheVolmannBrothers

We’ve found a mark for the Bound for Glory series


Incorrect1012

A top 5 isn’t even a really good ranking system. Top 15 is better, as you show more wrestlers instead of whatever flavor of the month it is. It’s also worthless. What good is being #5 in the singles division if all you face is jobbers and a couple of mid card guys? The top 5 should only realistically be fighting guys in the top 5 but instead they wrestle meaningless matches? It’s no where close to a real sports feel like they claim


xAbdul91x

Yeah, Cena should have matches at Smackdown Dark and Elevation to boost his ranking. Or Vince gives him a title shot as a birthday present NINE DAYS FROM TONIGHT. Good booking


HoxxAuthCode

**Meanwhile, Christian, Brodie Lee, and Moxley be like:** What?


Laosher22

John Silver was given a title shot as a birthday gift from The Booker of the Year.


cimson-otter

AEW doesn’t even follow their own ranking system


aprosbro

This would be brutal if the ranking system meant a single lick of a dogshit lollipop


OopsItWentInTheButt

lol even tho their ranking system doesn't work. for instance, literally right now the women's power rankings are 1. Nyla Rose, 16-2 2. Tay Conti, 19-3 3. Thunder Rosa, 18-2 not only does Rosa have a higher win-loss ratio than Tay, she also has 2 victories more than Nyla, so how in the triple chocolate fuck is she below them? I really want one of them to come explain this to me. [rankings so u don't have to search](https://www.allelitewrestling.com/post/aew-rankings-as-of-wednesday-july-14-2021)


DeathWing125

Has Shida even had her rematch yet? Real sports also do this as well so it isn't a "WWE thing".


HeelsAlwaysWin

Don't get me wrong, I like making wins matter, but even in UFC, an actual sport, they just give title matches to the biggest stars when they come back because they know it'll sell. There's a real life precedent for this kind of booking.


AGamecockInFuji

The ranking system where despite keeping a record of wins and losses, none of that shit matters and guys routinely skip the line outta nowhere? Because that’s what AEW does.


orizach01

I fucking love that cena cucked Rollins, I hope that this continues, maybe Brock or Goldberg return on summerslam to cuck him even more


t_j_c_242

Does AEW still use retarded win/loss records?