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This was found on a post about a woman getting continously harassed by a man in public without anyone helping.

This was found on a post about a woman getting continously harassed by a man in public without anyone helping.

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he just further proves the point about society being misogynistic.


Chx449

Ugh, this just reminds me of that post about a woman being straight up RAPED on a decently full subway train. She called out for help but people just let it happen, I don’t even think the dude was armed. We’re fucked honestly.


Joyousdooby

I find this hard to believe… on a full train a woman was assaulted and not a single person attempted to do anything? There was another recent post that said the statistics saying that a majority innocent bystanders not intervening was a false statistic and that in reality 9/10 situations involved an innocent bystander coming to someone’s aid. It just seems super unbelievable to me that on a full train with someone who is unarmed not a single person intervened for a full on rape. Like one of the reasons I carry a handgun is literally to intervene if I were to witness a sexual assault! Edit: Love that I am getting downvoted for trying to contribute to learning and being educated, this sub is so hypocritical sometimes. Disgusting that you call out others for their ignorance and downvote this comment while feeling righteous for it.


Chx449

Unfortunately it does not matter what you believe. https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8271310/philadelphia-woman-train-rape/amp/?espv=1


mattsyboo

I- I have no words. I have genuinely lost all faith in humanity. How could you just sit there, watch this happening, and not so much as say a single word? Not so much as lift a finger and dial 911. You don’t have to physically fight him, but atleast you could create a commotion and alert the authorities.


Joyousdooby

Wow that’s insane. I was going to ask for the link, I appreciate you providing it. Holy shit it boggles my mind that no one did anything, I guess I just realized I am grateful to be on the side of people who would step in if I were to witness that situation. Like the justification in my state for a CPL is being able to 1. Stop great bodily harm or death 2. Stop a sexual assault So if someone were to witness it here, they would have every right to shoot first ask questions later


Chx449

Yeah it almost makes me not want to go outside. Probably can’t defend myself, nobody will help me. So I’m fucked either way Extra scary because my girlfriend and I go out a lot. Ultra scary because we typically go to bars and clubs and it’s terrifying more so that as often as this shit happens in those settings anyway, someone might not help even if they see it. Going to start sticking close to my friends even closer than I do I swear lmfao.


adieucaribou

I don’t think you’re being downvoted for being a male participating on this sub, you’re being downvoted for expressing disbelief at a very real situation women go through. I appreciate that you have all the best intentions of not believing everything you read on the Internet, but the way you worded this post definitely sounds similar to actual misogynist talking points regarding rape culture. Anyway, this is all to say that being jaded and on the Internet results in assuming everyone acts and speaks in bad faith and that’s probably where the downvotes came from. I hope that makes some sense and doesn’t sound like I’m just talking out of my ass lol, all the best to you!


Joyousdooby

I appreciate what you are saying and you are correct that the comment was that I am jaded and do not want to believe everything everyone says without proof, but I do not think anything I said gives any indication that I am a misogynist or perpetuating rape culture in any way... Just that fact that anyone can draw that conclusion and incorrectly think I am misogynistic from my comment shows this sub has some serious extremism on the opposite end of the spectrum. AGAIN I am completely pro-women's rights and equality/support, and my commenting stems from disbelief that anyone of any gender would stand by and let something awful happen to anyone else, especially sexual assault. Overall its just some internet points and it does not matter, but its still annoying that anyone will read that and jump THAT far to a conclusion about my views.


adieucaribou

I wasn’t saying that you are a misogynist or anything you said in your first comment indicates that, only that lots of men who are misogynists have introduced themselves into conversations about rape culture with similar talking points. Lots of women keep their guard up around expressions of disbelief in response to rape because we’ve been burned before and often. Hope that makes sense! It’s really nothing against you personally.


Joyousdooby

Also I didn't think I was being downvoted FOR being a male, I just meant I WAS a male who was being downvoted for trying to make sure I was getting correct information because I was in such disbelief!


elephantillages

yeah … you’re getting downvoted because your original comment was judgemental af. if you truly were trying to educate yourself, it absolutely didn’t seems to, you just doubted the whole thing and didn’t seem prone to learn anything.


Joyousdooby

Read my other replies, you are one of the individuals I am referencing when I say its disgusting to downvote my original comment and hypocritical asf. Me and the commenter I was originally responding to had a wonderful conversation in PMs about self defense and how its so crazy that Canada doesn't allow people to carry defensive items. I learned a lot and I am thankful for the conversation, you can think what you want but me and the OP comment both learned from us asking questions and being vulnerable.


elephantillages

well, im mot talking about your other replies, im talking about this one, the one you’re complaining about and that got downvoted because you didn’t seem like you want to learn which is the only reason that it got downvoted. good for you if you did want to learn things in other comments, i guess these weren’t downvoted as this one


Broken_Infinity

Why is this downvoted? This person does not seem like a troll. They seem like a reasonable person. If you can assist a person and enlighten then do it. Or is this hive mind downvoted at play?


AdvocateDoogy

Yeahh, I guarantee a woman being harassed by a guy would be accepting of *any*one coming to help put a stop to it. Y'know, as long as the rescuer isn't *another* creepy guy who thinks that by helping her out like this would mean *he's* now entitled to try to sexually harass her.


semi-croustillante

Pro tip : when looking for help in a crowd do not call the crowd. "Please someone help me" Pick someone in the crowd ans ask them specifically for help "you there with the Black jacket help me". It is called "dilution of responsibility" (not sure about the translation english is not my first language) it's the thought process of people in a crowd collectively thinking that "someone is going to do something" by isolating them and asking specifically to one person in the crowd for help you remind them that they're someone and they can do something.


star_socialista

wait so this is how you break the bystander effect?! THIS IS SO SMART. i’m gonna use this when i’m followed next time. i’m planning on going to college parties soon too so i’ll probably need this.


jcarules

It’s actually usually women who help out in situations like this though, so he’s completely full of shit!


jammytomato

He’s just bitter he’ll never have the courage to be anyone’s knight in shining armor, even though no real woman has ever demanded this of him.


Comprehensive_Fly350

I do actually look out over other women as a woman myself, because I know what kind of eye contact they send, because I know that some men around would not understand the emergency of the situation, because some of them think it’s simply jokes, because we women, care really more about this kind of things. Anyway here are some tips: if you are in trouble, YELL that you need help and say who is harassing you, like point your finger at the person, and describe him or her loudly, as in: « the guy wearing a green jacket is harming me », or run toward someone, no matter who, and tell this person directly that you are in need of his or her help. Designing someone make them react because they feel directly concerned. Also it might be troubling to know who is harassing someone in a crowd, so giving a physical description of the appearance help people know who is the danger.


brainwarts

I have ONLY seen women act to protect other women from assault and harassment... These people really don't live in real life.


Broken_Infinity

Honestly seeing the state of men in the world currently, I’d rather pin my hopes on a toddler then these misogynistic pos